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mass executions like today's. leaders in washington from both parties and groups like the nra all say that now is not the time to talk about how gun safety laws can save lives in america. i agree. now is not the time to talk about gun laws. the time for that conversation was long before all those kids in connecticut died today." carolyn mccarthy's mention of the national rifle association, the nra is what everybody is talking about when they talk about the need for leadership regardless of the political consequences on this issue. when the president today said we are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics, he was talking there about the power of the nra as a lobby. and it is true that they have so dominated their field of policy that instead of having the gun laws most americans would like to have, it sometimes seems like instead we as a nation just have the gun policies that the members of the nra would want. that is the impression that we all have. but that is not at all true either. we do not have th
today's. leaders in washington from both parties and groups like the nra all say now is not the time to auction about how gun safety laws save lives in america, i agree, now is not the time to talk good gun laws the, the time was long before all those kids in connecticut died today. carolyn mccarthy's mention of the nra is what everyone is talking about when people talk about the need for leadership regardless of the political consequences on this issue. when the president said we have to come together to take meaningful action regardsless of the politics, he was talking about the nra as a lobby. and it's true, they have so dominated their field of policy, instead of having the gun laws that most americans would like to have. it seems like instead we have the gun policies that the members of the nra want, that's the impression that we have, but it's not at all true either. why do not have the gun policies in this nation that members of the nra want for this nation. look at the polling from july of this year. this is nra members. 74% of nra members believe that everyone who wants to b
in joe and the other top aides in white house and said, we have to act within ten days before the nra gets organized. and they failed to do it. they tried and they failed. and lbj had a bill that had been bottled up in committee for months and months for, you know, licensing and registration and they signed something much, much less in october and he spoke out, president johnson did, in october of 1968, forcefully and angrily about the failure even after robert kennedy's death to do something to defeat the gun lobby. while i have the spirit of the season and a feeling that things have changed and saw joe's powerful -- joe, your powerful statement in the aftermath, in the immediate aftermath of the killings, i have my doubts as to whether this president and this congress have the guts and the strength and the political courage to go forward. >> they have to move quickly, don't they, john heilemann? >> yeah, i think they do. you can't lose them. the sense of moral urgency that comes with proximity to this thing. and right now the nra is on its heels defenders of our insanely permissive
, december 19th. christmas is almost here. >> very respectful dialogue. the nra had a respectful statement. i think a lot of people showing respect on this. >> feel something may be be happening. >> feel some grown-ups, maybe. there are, of course, exceptions. >> there are a few. we have mike barnicle with us. you're not an exception. beautiful piece in "the daily news" today. we'll read that in must read. thank you very much. former treasury officials. mark ratner is with us as well. he has a must read. i'm serious. >> beautiful. >> also in washington, washington anchor for "bbc world news america" katty kay. >> no pieces, sorry. >> you'll write one next time. thank you. so we've got a lot to get to this morning. >> a lot to talk about today. >> those exceptions, what are you talking about? >> just in the conversation about everything you thought there were two exceptions. >> rick perry, governor of texas, and -- >> is it bob -- >> they said we need to -- we need to arm teachers. >> we have to think about it. >> somebody in the school with a gun. >> guns in school. that's great. you know wha
support is out there. 74% of nra members support criminal background checks. you know, that consensus is out there. we just have to make that felt in the halls of congress. >> but the important political consensus is of the organization the nra that can mobilize numbers of voters who will vote on that issue only. and the nra leadership has been the enablers of the mass murderers. and they've got to be called on it. they've got to be called on it by the president and the leaders of congress to confront the nra leadership, as bob said. nra members, they're okay with reasonable gun controls. the nra leadership has been fanatic and frankly functions as enablers to mass murder, and they've got to be stopped on that. >> and we just accept at face value some of the rhetoric that -- lindsey graham was on tv the other night saying, you know, in response to talking about sensible gun laws that no, i believe in the second amendment, i like to hunt. you know, that is not contrary to the sensible gun laws that anybody is advocating. you know, when you talk about something like criminal background
a conservative republican who received the nra's highest ratings over four terms in congress. i saw this debate over guns as a powerful symbolic struggle between individual rights and government control. and you know what? in the years after waco and ruby ridge, the symbolism of that debate seemed even more powerful to me. but the symbols of that ideological struggle, they've been shattered by the harvest's own from violent, mind-numbing video games and gruesome hollywood movies that dangerously desensitize those who struggle with mental health challenges. and then add in military-styled weapons and high-capacity magazines to that equation, and tragedy can never be too far behind. you know, there's no easy ideological way forward. if it were only that simple as to blame hollywood or the nra or insufficient funding for mental health, then our task would be completed in no time. but i come to you this morning with a heavy heart and no easy answers. still, i've spent the past few days grasping for solutions and struggling for answers. while daring to question my own long-held belief on these subje
after robert kennedy was killed and said, we have ten days before the nra gets mobilized. we have ten days to accomplish the bill was sitting in the judiciary committee, the gun bans, from the time when john f. kennedy was killed. and now martin luther king jr. had been killed, robert kennedy was killed. he said, you've got ten days to mobilize. you've got to get this done. they did what they could and they came up with a much smaller bill which was signed regretfully by lbj in october. >> i don't have the historical perspective that andrea does, but i have covered all the -- >> you didn't cover that '68 bill? >> no, i missed it. but i have covered the four instances of mass gun violence under obama, and i have to say the scariest thing to me with respect to newtown was when i g-chatted my fellow editor in new york to plot out coverage, and we knew exactly what to do because we had done it three times before. it had gotten so routine and so disturbing to us and i'm worried i'll be writing the same story. >> we can't desensitize ourselves to this, though. >> listen, we're not going to.
first baptist church in pensacola, florida, that are lifetime members of the nra, who went out hunting across northwest florida and alabama and georgia and mississippi, from the time they were 9, 10. jon meacham, you were raised in a similar culture. although you were wearing white gloves during your formative years. i'm sorry. i was struck that the most passionate people that said what you always want to hear, thank you for saying what i wanted to say. thank you for putting into words. they were -- they were, my friends from first baptist church, they were hunters, they were people that said, i'm not going to have somebody -- i'm not going to have extremists take my right to keep and bear a arms, protect my family, and go hunting with my kids. >> i think that's the key word. gun owners who think this through realize that the second amendment culture has bone totally captured by extremists since before really, but i think the marker is when, in 1994, i think, the phrase, jack booted thugs, remember, was used about the atf and people like george h.w. bush and norman schwartzcof resigned
. he worked for the brady campaign. we called the nra hoping to get someone from that organization on tonight they said they're not commenting until more information is thoroughly known in this case. they're putting off any kind of comment. it's obvious. congresswoman, thank you four coming on. i any this must bring it all back. i thought it was great, i said we have to get carolyn mccarthy because her reason to be in public life, to take on the voter, to deal with the public was this issue of the horror that hit your husband. >> and it was. and, you know, it's not funny, but i mean yesterday in my office we sat down to plan what we were going to do for the next term, and i said, listen, i came here in to congress to reduce gun violence, and i said i want to make sure that we go full forward. we have to do something about it. you know, the president's words meant a lot to me today because his tone was different. we have to take this head on and i know that the white house had said earlier that this was not a time to talk about gun violence, and you know what? they're right. it shou
a correction to make, earlier in the show when i said if you ask nra members that they believe if people have to pass a background check in this country before buying a firearm, i said 57% of members said yes to it. it is actually 74% of members who want a background check that want -- 74, not 57, sorry about that, we switched up our slides on that. here on nbc, our continuing coverage of the mass shooting, this massacre at sandy hook elementary school will continue now into the night. live from newtown, with chris jansing, please stay with us. >> reporter: 28 people dead in the nation's latest shooting massacre, but this time, the horror is at an elementary school. this is msnbc's live coverage of the shooting in newtown, connecticut. the first call for help came just after 9:30. >> the school shooting at an elementary school in fairfield county, connecticut. >> reporter: it is a small town, holiday lights are up everywhere. >> a young man wearing black. >> he entered the school, he was wearing all black. >> armed with at least two weapons, carrying two handguns and hundreds of rounds of amm
want this. the other thing that is i think, important, is that people talk about the power of the nra. but when you look at the election results that happened this november, the nra had a terrible season. i mean, my home state of virginia they really spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to knock off tim kaine, who is a big supporter of gun laws. they were not able to do that. they went after tammy baldwin, and of course they went after the president. everybody believes we should have reasonable gun laws. what is standing in the way is the nra leadership. we need to push them aside. it is not difficult. the nra is a paper tiger. it is time to get this done, the time is now, the day's events just showed what must happen in this country. >> congresswoman, we have talked over the last several months about how there have been shifts on so many issues, many of them social issues, for example, gay marriage. that it does seem as if legislation is sort of catching up with public opinion, is that what is happening here? and is there a way to push it forward from your perspective? >> well, i h
children being killed. >> we have to make that coalition. we have polled gun owners and nra members and found broad support on things like background checks on all gun sales. the american people who are watching and believe that we deserve better than this and deserve a nation that is better and safer, join us at we are better than this.org. you have to keep talking and engage in the process otherwise, we will have the same conversation the next time a mass shooting happens. we can no longer keep repeating it over and over and the same c conversations, because we have to move forward with that and we have to do it together. >> collin, you were shot in 2007, and the tact that we are here in 2012, does it feel like we have failed you? your fellow survivors and those who did not survive that massacre? >> that is a tough question. i feel good about what i am doing today and the the people i am connecting with with, and the progress in capitol hill and ledgislatures across the kun tc. it has been an overwhelming experience, but it is one that is very rewarding. we are trying to take the
that conversation. this is a frank luntz poll, 74% of nra members support criminal background checks. because nra members like average americans realize that that has nothing to do with the right of a law-abiding citizen to responsibly own a gun. these are the terms on which we have to have this conversation. and we need to hold people like lindsey graham accountable for making statements like that, that automatically equate any sensible conversation in our country about gun laws with second amendment rights because that's not an accurate portrayal of the conversation. >> dan gross, president of the brady campaign to prevent gun violence, great to have you on. thank you, sir. >> thank you. >>> we go back to the fiscal cliff and the president's call for higher tax rates for the wealthy. republicans fighting those hikes, say that one of the victims would be america's small businesses. >> people need to call him and ask him the question are you also talking about the small business folks. >> if you look at what he's doing, as jon kyl mentioned, raising taxes on small businesses -- >> so we hear that
's been incredibly vocal. in fact, he started a super pac. he thinks he can take on the nra, doesn't he? >> exactly. this election cycle, he launched his very own super pac which is about protecting new york city, keeping guns out of the city, but it's also very much about the mayor's future after city hall. he ends in 2013. >> as in a presidential run? or just a player? >> no, i think he's past running for president himself, but he does very much want to play a hand in national politics. he beat a favorite of the nra, a california democratic congressman, and it was a demonstration of what he thinks he can do going forward to influence gun policy on a national level. >> somebody who just might run for president of the united states is your number 19, because our governor isn't afraid to talk about global warming. for a democrat, you write affirming global warming isn't exactly a profile in courage, but it was brave considering the political spotlight was on him during hurricane sandy. of course we're talking about governor cuomo. the second governor cuomo. >> no shortage of elected offi
to be a counterweight to the nra and has made some contributions in this past election for candidates who are willing to talk about gun control. >> exactly. countrying melvin has an update on what is happening in connecticut as we await the news conference from law enforcement and hospital officials. craig. >> hey there, andrea. just -- i heard the conversation briefly. i do want to update the numbers right now. this is, again, according to nbc news.com. at this point 4 killed, 24 killed in that school shooting including 17 children. again, as you just indicated, those numbers are expected to change, but, again, at this point, 24 killed. 17 of them are children. we are awaiting a news conference as well. there are numerous injuries as well as you might imagine. this is newtown, connecticut, for folks who are not familiar. this town is roughly about 27,000, 28,000 folks who live there. i live roughly 15, 20 minutes away from newtown, connecticut. it's a very small town, and this is one of those stories that affects you in a very personal -- even if you don't have children, for instance, one of our dir
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